[Unedited] Annette Gordon-Reed and Titus Kaphar with Krista Tippett

In life, in families, we shine a light on the past to live more abundantly now. In this conversation at the Citizen University annual conference, historian Annette Gordon-Reed and painter Titus Kaphar lead us in an exploration of that as a public adventure. She is the historian who introduced the world to Sally Hemings and the children she had with Thomas Jefferson, and so realigned a primary chapter of the American story with the deeper, more complicated truth. He collapses timelines on canvas, and created iconic images after Ferguson. Both are reckoning with history in order to repair the present. This interview is edited and produced with music and other features in the On Being episode "Annette Gordon-Reed and Titus Kaphar — Are We Actually Citizens Here?" Find more at onbeing.org.