Brian Koppelman is joined by El-P to discuss his musical development and growing up in New York City. Best known as one half of Run The Jewels, El-P has been producing and rapping for decades, first as part of Company Flow and then as a solo artist and producer on albums like Cannibal Ox’s The Cold Vein, Killer Mike’s R.A.P. Music, and his solo albums Fantastic Damage and Cancer 4 Cure. They discuss how El-P got into hip-hop, high school delinquency, achieving massive success, and finding his place in music.