[Unedited] Desmond Tutu with Krista Tippett

Desmond Tutu is an Anglican archbishop emeritus of Cape Town, South Africa and recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize. He has written many books, including, "Made for Goodness: And Why This Makes All the Difference," and "The Book of Forgiving." This interview is edited and produced with music and other features in the On Being episode "Desmond Tutu — A God of Surprises." Find more at onbeing.org.